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JuK – won’t continue .. for now

I won’t continue developing / porting JuK for now. The reason is quite obvious, and a very sad one. Michael has some personal difficulties, and stepped down (for now) as a Maintainer, not contributing for some time to KDE – for now. No other member of the kde-multimedia community answered my request for reviewing my patches. This most likely means, nobody is interested at all. Since I have no intentions to step in as maintainer, until Michael is back, I’ll simply wait for his return (hopefully he will be back one day).

This means, in favour of my current new playground project, I’ll drop continueing the development of JuK – at least until Michael is back.

Last but not least, Michael: Take the time you and your family need. We’re all with you with our mind, soul and heart.

For QTiNT: I didn’t get along too well. At work, I’m missing the time, due to the reason that a colleague of mine is in holidays (which causes a huge amount of workload to me *grr* – start doing things right Markus!).
I’ve been busy with getting my ubuntu 32bit kvm running for oracle-xe (couldn’t get oracle installed on arch linux, and oracle-xe which I prefer for playgrounds has no 64 bit version), and getting the server side of TiNT running on my laptop, so I can continue working at home.
I’m done so far, but it seems as if the first data import failed at some parts (views), which causes some problems which I hope to solve tomorrow, so I can work on that this weekend.
Since I don’t feel too well (I’m a bit ill), I’ll spend a lot of time at home this weekend, and should have a lot of time to get something done.

@Lore: <wave> ;-).

4 Response to “JuK – won’t continue .. for now”

  • Tying this back to my political cmasoripon, the socialist liberal is more than happy to make those decisions for you, and then he’ll crown himself king and ridicule any differing idea you may bring up.Of course, like your other analogies this also falls flat. Gnome did not make any decisions for anyone. You are free to choose to use Gnome or KDE, or xfce, or ratpoison, or Enlightenment, or a VT220 if you like. In fact, the Gnome people *increased* the amount of choices. After all, without the Gnome project Gnome and xfce, to name just two, would not be choices at all. What’s more, Gnome gave people like myself the freedom to choose a desktop that wasn’t reliant on proprietary software.I hate to say this, but the only way you are going to be able to equate Gnome with socialism is if you say that Socialists value freedom, and conservatives would rather trade their freedom for a few bells and whistles.Listen, it’s ok. You can like KDE these days, it’s Free Software. However, it probably would not be Free Software if it wasn’t for the wackos working on Gnome. If everyone in the Linux community had been willing to trade their freedom for bells and whistles we wouldn’t be nearly as Free as we are now. Spin it however you want, that’s just how it is. If you want to equate the folks that chose to create Gnome instead of use proprietary software as socialists feel free to do that, but I will continue to point out that it is not a particularly consistent argument.Unless, of course, you happen to believe that socialists are the folks that value freedom more highly.As far as Linus’s opinion of Gnome, well, it is hardly surprising that he doesn’t like it. He wants a blast forge and, the folks at Gnome are building a microwave oven. He thought, because he’s Linux Torvalds, that he could bully the Gnome people into adding a bunch of configurable knobs and switches so that he could get Gnome to do what he wanted. Unfortunately, each of those configuration options has a cost associated with it, and Linux is too darn complicated as it is. So the Gnome developers rejected the code, for much the same reason that the Vim hackers would probably reject code that added elisp scripting to Vim.As someone that has put Gnome desktops in front of actual human beings. I think that the Gnome people did the right thing. For most people too many options is worse than too few. Just like the East Germans in your example, Windows and Mac OS X users can only handle so much complexity.Fortunately, once they decide they like Linux they are Free to experiment with KDE (or whatever else). I am sure that the East Germans of today have no problems with western restaurants. Perhaps there will even come a time when no one needs the simplicity of Gnome, but for right now, if you are talking about Linux for normal people you had probably better be giving them Gnome.Or you can learn the hard way, like I did. There’s a reason that Canonical has become the most popular distribution, and it is not because they offer the most choices.

  • For the record, I would not say that I am a Gnome fan. I will say that I have tried pttniug KDE, Gnome, xfce, and even icewm on normal people’s desks, and there is no question that modern Gnome desktops are the least confusing to people. As an added bonus I turn off the virtual desktops and remove the pager as I have yet to find someone that does not find virtual desktops confusing.I love virtual desktops, and I used to spend time trying to teach people how to use them. I would talk about use cases, and keyboard short cuts, and then I would get calls saying that, all of my programs have disappeared again. Invariably it would turn out that they had accidentally clicked on the pager and were in a different virtual desktop.As an avid Emacs user I *barely* use Gnome at all. On my netbook I don’t even use virtual desktops, and I never use Nautilus. My workflow is so keyboard centric that I was nearly happy enough with ratpoison. So please don’t take my defense of Gnome as some sort of preference. If it weren’t for the licensing issues KDE would have completely dominated the Linux desktop. Despite the fact that I don’t like C++ and I really think that Gnome’s end-user focus is far more sane, I really wish that would have happened. However, Trolltech’s licensing scheme was unsupportable, and licenses do matter. Especially in the license-aware Linux community.GNOME forces its opinion on you. If you don’t like it, that’s your problem.Actually I would go farther and say that if you don’t like Gnome’s opinion then chances are good that you aren’t in Gnome’s target market. The Konqueror/Dolphin example actually shows what I mean precisely. Only a hard-core Linux nerd would recommend using two separate applications for different file managing tasks. And I promise that I mean that in the very best of ways.Most people don’t even have any idea where they save their files. Trying to teach them to use two different file managers, depending on what they are doing, is simply madness. It’s a very optimistic sort of madness, but it is still completely bonkers. After all, I’d like to think that most people could get to that point if they just expended a bit of effort. However, most people simply aren’t interested. Who can blame them? Not everyone wants to tinker with computers for a living.In short, I think that it is to Gnome’s credit that you don’t like it (and that I don’t like it either).I always pictured you as an Enlightenment kind of guy I am not much of an eye candy guy. Not too terribly long ago I actually used my computer from the Linux console for most of a month. If there was a text-based browser that did javascript, I might still be using my computer that way.Some day, when I write my novel, I will probably do that again. It is hard to get distracted on the modern equivalent of the VT220 (I still have one of those hooked up to my desktop at home, just in case).

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